Glove Box Insert

[kkeaa53]

As a resident of the UK getting authentic 'stuff' over the pond costs me greatly so if I can I like to 'make' what I can rather than import it with the 20% VAT and 5% import duty the gov add when it arrives.

That's the justification for this simple request. The Glove Box cardboard insert for my 1952 FFPW.

I need a pattern, if there is a published one, that I can origami into a suitable insert.

I know I can order one but the cost is approx. and rises as you look, $35 + + and it's only folded cardboard, can't be that difficult after what I have already done to the truck.

Bit if ply for strength, HD cardboard for structure, couple of staples.....

Add picture because I know you guys like to see results....


Local show on 1st Jan 2018

and



(there is nothing behind it just a big space......)

So, is there a pattern available I can crib/steal/borrow/beg for the job? before I start to measure and cut a cardboard box up to make it fit as a pattern then, start to make the real one....


Thank you


John
In sunny (wet, wind ruddy cold) Somerset UK

[Tom Petroff]

Can't help with a pattern, but WW2 WC Dodge had a metal
box.
Much stronger than cardboard.

Some here upgrade to that box.

check with these guy's in France.

http://jeep-dodge-gmc.com/smi/

At least there on your side of the pond.

Beautiful truck John,

Tom

[The Other Ross]

Outstanding!
But I'm no help with the box.

[kkeaa53]

Ok I guess I am going to have to do this the hard way, here is my first attempt as a cardboard mock up.







Design Constraints

The heater is in the way, it prevents a completed box from being pushed up and into place. It may be possible to distort the box and push it up but my mock-up box was not strong enough to be distorted that far.

The constant throttle rod is close to being in the way, if you get the size wrong the back corner of the glove box will interfere with the rods operation.

The fresh air vent in front of the window screen (Shield for those who care) can foul the top of the box if your not careful and make the box too big.

The mounting holes to support the box and carry any weight you place in the glove box is all taken by the four holes in the top front 1/2” so this needs to be strong or reinforced.

There are no holes in the side retainers in the console so it was expected to be rigid sides.

I have mounted an air horn pump almost in the way and a cable conduit so restricting the depth of the box. Fire wall insulation not fitted yet either.

Cut-outs need to be made to allow the closing springs and the hinges to move freely, this could weaken the base significantly.

I will let you know how it progresses.


JohnC


ps

Tom
I did not get much joy from the French web site but the idea of a steel box appeals.

[Tom Petroff]

I have bought from them in the past
And were great to deal with.
There web page has a language selection
Upper rt corner.
Helps a lot.

Also cardboard box can be collapsed
Enough to go in through the door opening.

Looks good what your trying so far

[Doc Dave]

John,
Tom has provided good advice.
You are making good progress with your attempt at cardboard, but you hit on an adiitional problem with cardboard - and that is clearance with a heater.
My ‘52 Power Wagon had the stock cardboard box, which was deformed somewhat when the dealer installed a heater.
Over time the box sort of disentegrated.
I ended up switching to a metal box; in the back of it I welded in a “step” so it clears the heater. Very strong and functional now.

[kkeaa53]

Thank you guys this detail is helpful.

It is clear that the original box suffered some strength issues long term and there are constraints on size and shape I need to be aware of.

My cardboard mock-up, with further modification, has identified the size and shape of the completed item I now think is needed.

Your guidance is directing me towards a more solid structure for the finished item.

I will think some more on the construction techniques of a steel material, pattern which partly goes along the line of somewhere to put some tools in a show truck. With a cardboard/hardboard construction housing heavy tools would not be possible.

I will keep you updated.


John

[Doc Dave]

Sounds like a good plan.
I am not sure but I think the steel box I bought from VPW was made out of 16 gauge. It was the same basic dimension as the cardboard one, with the holes /slots in front to fit. As I said I cut out the back lower corner width dimension and welded in a dog leg so as to not interfere with the heater.

[53Crusher]

Glove box

John - I also upgraded my cardboard glove box to steel. Primarily because the mice had ruined it. Steel box came from Vintage Power Wagons. Our heaters can all be installed in different locations. In my case, I learned the hard way that I had to remove the heater to install the glove box. Once the glove box was in place, I could re-install my heater. Phew.

[kkeaa53]

Tim

What depth is your steel replacement? that's front to back.

As you say, as on mine, without the heater a rigid box can be fitted easily.

I am making plans to draw up a pattern for a folded steel replacement and I also realise now that I don't need to cut slots for the hinges and springs but holes for them to operate through, this will improve integrity of the mounting.

I have now found the VPW option but still getting it to the UK will double the cost so still thinking of fabrication, it's what we do best I guess.



John

[Matthew Welcher PWA]

Give me 2 shakes and I will get you pictures and dimensions of the steel Glove Box.

[W_A_Watson_II]

On my 46 I ended up with a light interference between the cowl vent and the top of the steel glove box. I elected to trim the cowl vent slightly as it was longer than what was needed rather than modify the glove box.

[53Crusher]

glove box dimensions

John-

I just had a wisdom tooth extracted, but have some rough measurements for you. Might want to go with whatever Matt tells you though :-)

Mine is approx. 14 1/4" x 6 1/2" in the front. Hopefully you can see by the picture that it will go outside of the glove box flanges. The depth of the box is 11" and the back is smaller. Roughly 11"x5".

You might also notice that I have tape over the spring holes. Cheyenne Dave showed me how to put magnets from a hard drive on the door and insert a bolt that you grind flat. Magnets keep the door nicely shut with no rattles.

Hope this helps, but Matt will probably have better details.

[Matthew Welcher PWA]

Glove Box dimensions

Hope this helps

[Matthew Welcher PWA]

More Glove box pictures

A Few more dimensions