Which is better, Part time or Full time?

[yogibare143]

The Spindles on full time work fine. Just need to remember to pull wheels and grease Zirk fitting on outside of Spindle. A lot of people do not know about this Zirk fitting which will cause early failure. I grease all fittings twice a year.

[MoparNorm]

The Hubs on full time work fine. Just need to remember to pull wheels and grease Zirk fitting on outside of Hub. A lot of people do not know about this Zirk fitting which will cause early failure. I grease all fittings twice a year.

Unless I'm missing something here, I think they were talking about locking hubs, and you are talking about "spindles"?
When we use the term "hubs", we are generally talking about Locking Hubs.
To clarify, Locking Hubs on a true full time do not work!
Locking Hubs are only for part time systems.
If you have a NP203 Full Time case and also have locking hubs, then one of two things is going on....
1) it has the Mile Marker part time conversion or...
2) it is engaged in "LOC" because a true full time system with hubs will not move as the hubs open the front axle and prevent a Full Time case from operating properly.
Full Time systems are identified as the following systems:
NP203
NP/NV 242
Quadratrac
Quadradrive
Quadradrive II

There may be another model in later model Dodge trucks but I do not know the terminology for it.
Just because a truck has automatic hubs does not make it a Full Time system.
Full Time systems are 4WD systems that can be run 100% of the time on hard, dry pavement.

[yogibare143]

I should have used word Spindle instead of Hub. My bad

[MoparNorm]

I should have used word Spindle instead of Hub. My bad

Ha!Ha!
No biggie, I figured it out and corrected my statement before you re-posted....= )

[JimmieD]

Nice going, Norm. We could have closed in on Yogi's momentary weak moment in failure to express himself in exactly perfect nomenclature and would have had a regular shark-feeding frenzy of perverse joy, and you go and let him off the hook! Nice going, Norm....

But hey, FrankyB, far as I know there's no difference whatsoever on life or longevity of components. Pound the living daylights out of the front end and it fails, treat it with a modicum of respect and it smiles and humbly motors along for 100's of K-miles. Somebody like Mopar Norm can thrash a fulltime to smoldering lumps of melted & twisted steel in the first half of a weekend. Then again he can do that with an Abrams tank, too, so what the hey? :~ )

[yogibare143]

Sorry JimmieD. I'm always saying something stupid so sure you'll get another chance. After 20 years as UDT SEAL, Sharks don't bother me. Crazy old Dodge Guys are a lot more dangerous! lol

[MoparNorm]

Yogi, the problem wasn't yours, it was my reading comprehension....= )
I figured it out when I re-read the zirk fitting part....= )

If you would have said, "the thingamabob that goes on the whositwhatcit", I would have been right with ya....= )

[yogibare143]

To these Guys getting their first Full time Truck it is VERY important to remove wheel and grease that fitting! There is hole in Spindle to access it. It will fail in about 2 years if you don't. I found out "Cough! Cough!" the hard way!

[MoparNorm]

Good Advice!
Also overlooked is when a truck is run in water or mud.
If you haven't raised or extended your axle, transmission and transfer case vents, you are running around with a ticking time bomb of mud and water inside those components.

[JimmieD]

Sorry JimmieD. I'm always saying something stupid so sure you'll get another chance. After 20 years as UDT SEAL, Sharks don't bother me. Crazy old Dodge Guys are a lot more dangerous! lol

Hey, Yogi, sounds like you're a natural for some seriously deep fording! I can just see you truck with racks on the back to hold a few dozen scuba tanks for you and the engine! Might get kinda dicey without a good weightbelt or seatbelt.

BTW: I knew 'Hoppy' well, in case you ever ran across his ornery hide back there, or out here. Either 5 or 6 tours in Nam, and then they wouldn't let him come back again. He still managed to keep busy hah! He helped train the anti-saboteur dolphins for the bay, among many, many, many other escapades. Quite a guy....

[yogibare143]

Hey JimmieD

I much prefer Re-Breathers to tanks. Have over three thousand hours dive time. Had my Kid certified by the time she was Ten.

Have heard of Hoppy but never met.

FULL TIME Rules!

[KRB64]

I think a lot of uninformed folks fill them with 90W instead of motor oil. Maybe that hurts their reliability?

I bought my m880 out of a junk yard after the forest service got done with it. Thats been about 6 years ago. I drained the 90W and refilled with 10w30 and been fine since.

[MoparNorm]

I think a lot of uninformed folks fill them with 90W instead of motor oil. Maybe that hurts their reliability?

I bought my m880 out of a junk yard after the forest service got done with it. Thats been about 6 years ago. I drained the 90W and refilled with 10w30 and been fine since.

Talking about the NP203?
Yes a lot of early issues with guys not reading the manual and just using "what they have always used".
Depending upon climate, 10W 40 or 10W 30.

[KRB64]

Sorry, yes the xfer case.
Ditto on the zerks behind the wheel. If you keep 10w30 in the 203 and grease the wheel bearings they should be pretty trouble free.

[squatch]

part time

I've owned mainly part time systems. I have had a newer truck with IFS and shift on the fly push button(similar to cad diff brand though). I liked the convenience but who needs the electronics prob when it gets old. I think MY powerwagon is the best of both worlds for me. I have part time with a np208 transfer case and a 4sp manual np435. I don't need 4x4 that much but when I do I really need it. So I just lock the hubs and go in 2x. If I need 4x4 I just push in the clutch and pull transfer lever. Simple, strong, shift on the fly, and no gee-whiz gadgets to act up or to try and find parts for when they become obsolete. When I don't need 4x4 I unlock the hubs and I'm not wearing out my hard to get dana 60 front axle. As far as gas mileage: Let's just say I have a 5,800lb 4x4 shortbox with a charger BB on 35" mt's. 13 mpg looks pretty good.