Which is better, Part time or Full time?

[712edf]

how come every once in a while you see a 205 married to a th400 if they came behind the 4spd? my dads 75 blazer was a 4speed so i supose it came with the 205 but it has a 400 mated to a 205 now this was way before i was born so idk lol 79-early to mid eightys i was born in 88 so i was done before me lol

It wasn't that GM wanted no automatics with the 205.Straight sixes used them and later on the V8s did, using the th400 you mention. What GM wanted was no 203s behind their 4-speed. You see GM offered both the 203 and the 205 in the late seventies, automatics seemed to get the 203 while 4-speeds got the 205. Also seems like the 4-speeds were in 3/4 ton and heavier GM trucks. Dodge went exclusively with the 203 during the 75-79 models irregardless of transmission....Now the question Does anyone know of a GM 4x4 with the 203 behind their 4-speed?

[powerwagon88]

nope lol i do kno they put 4spd's in half tons too not just 3/4 and up. and also when you said that gm use the 203 in later 70s behind autos my dad had a 78 3/4 ton PU this an auto and 203 so ur are acurate lol. wonder whos idea it was to make the 203 half gear and half chain? has to be that way no other way to use the pto spot if they were just chain driven. why not make it fulltime gear driven? but for some one to be able to answer that they would have to kno why dodge,gm,and ford made other dumb crap they did.

[MoparNorm]

A place that works on volume and performs alot a various services might not have the knowhow to do a band adjustment properly, whereas a place that specializes in transmission work should.But there is no guarantee! For starters you could do it yourself. Got a service manual?Torque wrench?Purchase all the supplies and try it.If it goes well,you'll be proud of yourself.If its about the same you'll be out less money than if they did it. Screw it up, you'll gain education & experience....Either choice is a gamble, do you bet on yourself or do you bet on someone else?

My preference is a local mom and pop shop, but my Chassis/Cab is still under warranty so I take mine to the dealer.
A not under warranty transmission service at the dealer costs about $180 for fluid drain and flush, new filter, band adjustment and new fluids.
Get several quotes first, it's a buyers market right now.
I've taken several printed quotes to my dealer, he meets or beats them and you get Mopar Parts and fluids.

[Bstout]

moparnorm said---> Your Part Time rig still has a front driveline turning even when disengaged.



wrong again..

[MoparNorm]

moparnorm said---> Your Part Time rig still has a front driveline turning even when disengaged.



wrong again..

Actually you said you have a Chevy Avalanche, it does not have hubs*, it has an axle disconnect, therefore the axle and drive line are indeed turning.
Sorry, but you're wrong ...again.... = )


*unless you have added aftermarket hubs, but since it's an Avalanche the hubs may be worth more than the truck....= )

[Bstout]

No not talkin about Av.Genius..talkin about PW...converted T/case as well///and if your not up to speed on the inferior design of the full time frt axle bearings not surprized then in brief I will just say they are way to close together. they dont handle side loads well..and that can cause them to have premature falure if you use bigger than a 31" tires..anyway doesnt really matter full or part its like arguing over what gun to hunt with they all get it done..mine works for me..

[MoparNorm]

No not talkin about Av.Genius..talkin about PW...converted T/case as well///and if your not up to speed on the inferior design of the full time frt axle bearings not surprized then in brief I will just say they are way to close together. they dont handle side loads well..and that can cause them to have premature falure if you use bigger than a 31" tires..anyway doesnt really matter full or part its like arguing over what gun to hunt with they all get it done..mine works for me..

Seems to me that this conversation is over. You jump all over on topic without writing a complete sentence. Every time a point is made you change the subject, start name calling and generally ramble on with poor sentence structure, grammar and spelling about something nonsensical.
Besides, who was arguing? Before you chimed in here, this was an adult discussion about the merits of each system under specific uses.
Go re-read the topic heading, it's an opinion poll.
If you're not up to speed on reading comprehension there are some adult education courses you can take....= )
...and you're right, it doesn't matter.

[JimmieD]

No not talkin about Av.Genius..talkin about PW...converted T/case as well///and if your not up to speed on the inferior design of the full time frt axle bearings not surprized then in brief I will just say they are way to close together. they dont handle side loads well..and that can cause them to have premature falure if you use bigger than a 31" tires..anyway doesnt really matter full or part its like arguing over what gun to hunt with they all get it done..mine works for me..

I would question how much of what you claim is proven by personal experience? Maybe it was gotten from internet info somewhere?

I personally know that Mopar Norm's knowledge is limited, that is limited to an intense lifetime involvement in 4WD vehicles for the last 50 years, hands on, every day, including his being in that very business for many years, and he also known as a very well respected source of knowledge and information in that 4WD area. You been at it a while yourself?

Any chance you're an advisor to Chrysler Corporation on Design & Engineering of their newest 4WD & Jeep vehicles? I know Norm is. They ask him!

You aren't clear on what 'converted t-case' you're talking about by model, mfgr or vehicle application????

"they dont handle side loads well..and that can cause them to have premature falure if you use bigger than a 31" tires."

Is this your personal experience? If not is it something you found on the internet? If it is personal experience was the vehicle properly maintained, and were the axles lubed correctly throughout the life of the vehicle?

That is, did you buy it new from a dealer and properly maintain it for its lifetime, and then had a failure with tires more than 31"??

In fact even the flaky internet sources don't usually specify 31" maximum for fulltime, but 33" maximum, REAL big difference between the two in rotating mass and side loading, REAL BIG!

"No not talkin about Av.Genius" That's obvious because there is no genius in AV or GM to date. Un-clever low bidder parts & materials purchasing, yes, and the primary bread & butter income source for replacement parts stores due to infamous GM LACK of durability but no, genius not seen there. Actually GM doesn't need genius, never has, because there's always some people who will buy and believe anything....

[powerwagon88]

if you knew me i am an avid 4wheeler and hey guess what i dont break. the only thing i have broken is my 00 tj twisted the axle shaft in half on the road. oh wait yet again chrystlers great idea of putting a dana 35 in the rear as the std axle. but yet again i dont kno anything because we have the all knowing jimmied wow i guess i aught to bow down.... nope! so enlighten me on what i dont kno about 4wheel drives in my last post since you kno more than me.

[KRB64]

Soooooooooooo, how 'bout this weather eh?

[Gordon Maney]

I have done a bit of editing here, and am going to ask that we tone this down. I would lock this thread but it is a very long, and very good, thread.

Please continue, but let's all play nice.

[MoparNorm]

if you knew me i am an avid 4wheeler and hey guess what i dont break. the only thing i have broken is my 00 tj twisted the axle shaft in half on the road. oh wait yet again chrystlers great idea of putting a dana 35 in the rear as the std axle. but yet again i dont kno anything because we have the all knowing jimmied wow i guess i aught to bow down.... nope! so enlighten me on what i dont kno about 4wheel drives in my last post since you kno more than me.

This is completely off-topic and would be a good subject for another thread, but since you brought it up, here goes:
Keep in mind that Jeep has used the Dana 35 axle for decades, with little issue in stock rigs, with stock gearing and stock tires and wheels.
If you look at trail rigs, participate in clubs and outings, or read the many off-road mags, you'll see that just about anyone who wheels on a consistent basis, substitutes that axle for a Dana 44, a ford 9", Dana 60 or a trick aftermarket axle.
The problem with Jeep, especially under Daimler, is that they didn't keep up with how their vehicles are used and they designed the TJ from an isolated perspective when it comes to the type of wheeling that most users participate in. They also designed under strict cost restraints.
In the last few years, as the Daimler folks were fired and phased out, you have seen more serious offerings, including the Dana 44 in the Rubicon and Dana 44 and Dana 60 axles being considered for sale through Mopar Performance.
You didn't state what tire and wheel combo you run, what gear ratio, if you have a traction device, or what engine you have.
Also remember that real Jeeps are built, not bought, so expectations of a bullet proof Wrangler from the show room is not realistic as there are many types of Jeep usage, drivers and level of skill.
The original Jeepers ran WWII surplus rigs in the same areas that you see super built Jeeps attempt and fail today. They ran the trails successfully with ridiculously small axles, tires, wheels and engines and did it because of driver skill.
I've always felt that off road driving was 90% driver 10% vehicle, but now days the vehicles are so stout and capable that the driver skill required has become diminished.
Lastly, things do break, even when not abused. Jeep had issues with Dana axle quality control over the last few years and Dana has struggled to survive bankruptcy.


I would be remis if I didn't add, Gordon offers a spell check feature here, please use it and proof read and your posts will come across in a more intelligent manner.

[Bstout]

I would be remis if I didn't add, Gordon offers a spell check feature here, please use it and proof read and your posts will come across in a more intelligent manner.

Well I guess Im not done here--->I would be remis if i didnt point out ---> Moparnorm...whos is name calling? Self rightous appointed webmaster-->who are you to insinuate that this man powerwagon88 is less than intelligent because he prefers to type quickly and around corners.He is not the only one who hunts and pecks and hates the key board. and I didnt know we are haveing a test on thread grammer and puncuation. Is it that hard for you to understand and read? This is a Mechanic/Truck forum not an english class. Geez back off people and pull your panties up.

[JimmieD]

Though I wasn't addreessed I'll say that I will quickly come back low and fast whenever anyone backhands or tosses potshots at very well respected members of this forum!

A review of all my posts wil show that I don't answer that way except in extreme rare occasions. Matter of fact, in all the time I've been here, the total is about 3 thread's postings that merited same.

I won't apologize for backups of a friend and well known authority in the area of 4 wheel drive, Dodge 4 wheel drive, and Jeep 4 wheel drive. You'll notice at the bottom of Mopar Norm's posts a little tag line, "I was teethed on a transfer case knob." TRUE STORY!

I ask all who post to any thread to state your views but please show respect for all others where respect is due. In the case of Mopar Norm, respect is due, and then some. In most cases he's not only been there, but several times, even camped there, and got back before anybody else even thought about heading out to go look & see! Those tire tracks you saw were likely his, been there, done that.

That being the case I hope that respect will preface any post.

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[powerwagon88]

yes i do type fast and hate keybords i tried the spell check but it said somthing about i had to download it. lol so i desided against it. so i may of come off a little hard sorry. oh btw my tj has 31's,3.73,5spd nvg3550,4.0L. i didnt think i was saying any thing harsh. also btw i have desided on an axle swap when i feel this thing is ready to go play. 9inch yes i hate ford and hate to say im using the 9inch lol and dana44 pass side drop front with dana 300 tcase. never expected a built proof jeep i had just though mabye they wouldnt break so easy nvg3550 is another story.....