Paint spray gun recomendations...?

[JimmieD]

Hi folks!

I'm going to be needing a paint spray gun pretty soon and need some tech assist. First: I'm no painter, so cutting-edge quality isn't an issue. A paintball gun and some kind of spreader would probably do, but should go a step above that I suppose. I don't like cleaning brushes so that's out. Just need something capable of laying down a decent paintjob at a reasonable price.

I heard there's a knock-off gun or clone that can use the spray tips from the high quality guns and gives a good finish. I have a good compressor, 60 gallon and 10 cfm @ 90 psi running. What's the hot deal out there? Prices? Thanks!
JimmieD

[HWooldridge]

Northern Hydraulics and their clones offer a Chinese Binks rip-off that is pretty good. It is a pot and gun with 8 foot or so of hose. I think this is a better deal than a self contained gun/pot combo because the gun is separate and is easier to manipulate plus the pot can be pressurized to whatever is needed to push the paint.

[Charles Talbert]

Re: Paint spray gun recomendations...?

Originally posted by JimmieD
Hi folks!

I'm going to be needing a paint spray gun pretty soon and need some tech assist. First: I'm no painter, so cutting-edge quality isn't an issue. A paintball gun and some kind of spreader would probably do, but should go a step above that I suppose. I don't like cleaning brushes so that's out. Just need something capable of laying down a decent paintjob at a reasonable price.

I heard there's a knock-off gun or clone that can use the spray tips from the high quality guns and gives a good finish. I have a good compressor, 60 gallon and 10 cfm @ 90 psi running. What's the hot deal out there? Prices? Thanks!
JimmieD

What ever you chose, be certain your compressor is capable of furnishing enough VOLUME. The HVLP guns that are so popular these days are better, but require lots of volume. A compressor like you spoke of owning likely won't keep up. I have a SATA gun with a digital incoming pressure read out on the handle I use for finish work. It requires 29PSI at the gun to achieve the 10PSI it needs at the nozzle. To get 29PSI at the gun on a 50' hose, the regulator at the source must be set at 60PSI, yes you'll lose half going through a 50' hose. Most lesser quality guns require around 50PSI at the gun to get the required 10PSI at the nozzle or air cap (place that paint & air mix). You can now get a picture of why a good high out put compressor is needed to keep up the high demands of a paint gun, especially the HVLP guns. A pressure regulator at the gun is an absolute must & has to be monitored closely if you get a good consistant job. The HVLP guns require that you lower the volume of fluid coming out the tip & hold the gun closer to the object being painted in order to get a smooth finish. That's as close as 4" with some guns, the older type guns, around 8" is a good starting place & fine tune from there. You need practice before doing the truck, consistantcy of distance & speed of movement makes it or breaks it. The HVLP guns will save paint in a big way due to far less over-spray. Good painting isn't that hard, just takes practice to see what works best for you. Each different type of paint you use will require different technicque as well. Be sure to put an air dryer capable of removing water that is still in suspension from your air supply, any moisture makes a horrid mess.

[MoparNorm]

Good Tips Charles

I should note that Jim lives in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia and as such he must use the HVLP gun...or the secret enviro police will track him down and make him listen to Jane Fonda workout tapes for 3-5 years.
Jim, see my post at the Dodge Sweptline .org site, the Eastwood twin gun pack at $99 isn't too bad of a deal, Devilbis guns, HVLP, check out the required CFM on their site to see if your air compressor will keep up, BEFORE you buy.
As for chinese guns.....buying ANYTHING chinese will be another nail in our coffin... no rant, just the sad facts....
MN

[JimmieD]

Thanks for the great tech tips, Charles! I'm certainly going to study up on the subject before I start blowing paint, which will likely be in the spring. Just want to line up my tools and get my little duckies all in a row before the party starts.

According to the mfgr. Sears Roebuck the compressor is their top Pro model and provides 12.4 cfm @ 40 psig, and 10.2 cfm @ 90 psig, max pressure of 150 lbs, 60 gallon tank, 7 h.p. motor. Should be up to the task as far as I can find out. And yes, I've found out I'll need some more pieces for the new compressor. Good to know now as I haven't installed it yet.

The opportunity proposed for a political rant is enticing indeed, Norm, but suffice to say, and you know me better than that: I AIN'T BUYING NO CHINESE JUNK!!! I've been shopping prices etc. on the net and that Eastwood/Devilbiss deal Russ spoke of is downright unbeatable! As another fella said on another forum, it isn't so much the gun as it is the quality of workmanship. So, I'll have to study to show myself approved.....
JimmieD

[MoparNorm]

Ha!Ha!

I served you up a softball...and you didn't swing!
You've got all winter to practice!
MN

[JimmieD]

Naw, I bunted......figured with working on the house and moving and such our dear Mr. Maney might like to get some sleep instead of refereeing a couple of renegade capitalist right-wing extremist pro-Americans in a tag-team match with the 'other side'....

JimmieD, the 'Kalifornia Kid'

[HWooldridge]

Boys and girls - there just ain't much left that's really made in America. I ranted and raved publicly for the past ten years about foreign manufacturing but nobody did much listening. The worst exchange I had on the Net was with a young guy about foreign sources for sporting arms. His position was that any manufacturer in America was just a "fat cat" trying to get rich off his poor sweat and that .45's made in China were just as good as Colts and the only way he'd buy domestic was if that price equalled the Chinese copy's cost. Of course, he thought Colt's, Rugers, etc., were great guns but he wasn't going to put his money out there for the good old USA. I gave up preaching to deaf ears...

I bought a sand blaster about 2 years ago from a well known tool distributor - said it was "Made in America". There was an almost identical unit next to it that said "Made in China" for about half price. Well, I bought the domestic one for $400 - maybe because I still have some patriotic tendencies and wanted to vote with my wallet. The sales guy told me at the counter that nobody bought the American version and it was sort of just there for demo purposes. I did some digging later and found out both were sold by the same company and most parts were made in China. The domestic product was 'assembled' in Ohio but the components were imported. Guess I'm not so smart after all.

Good luck finding anything anymore that is truly made from scratch here - it's a global economy whether we like it or not.

[Charles Talbert]

How true

All the rules & regulations imposed upon American Companies makes the cost of goods manufactured here out of sight. It's a shame, most consumers like the guy you spoke of concerning the .45 think American business owners are just getting fat. Well, I'm sure in some cases that's true, but most small business owners are simply trying to survive the taxes & other costly regulations imposed by our federal & local goverments. If you really want to get your feathers ruffled, check & see how much easier it is for foreigners coming into America & starting a small business. Easy for them to get loans, way less taxes are due, also get by other regulations lighter or completely in some areas too. That's what makes me sick, & absolutely nothing is being done to keep illegals out of this country. Why do our leaders turn a blind eye to this? Because around about, their getting fat from it too. I'll stop before I really get started.

[JimmieD]

Well Charles, unfortunately you're right again! I had a keen desire to go into business manufacturing a machine product made entirely of American made components. Cannot be done: THE AMERICAN MADE COMPONENTS DO NOT EXIST!

I personally have no problem buying products from some other countries, European, South American, etc. I do have a huge problem buying products from China. The ideological warfare is an issue and the junk qualtiy is an issue, but there's something else too. China has no EPA and their health based technology is virtually non-existent.

There was a recall of a whole lot of Chinese eating utensils, as in plates and dishes: TOXIC LEAD CONTENT. There was a recall of a huge batch of Chinese jewelry, not coincidentally Christian jewelry, as the WWJD necklaces, bracelets etc. TOXIC LEAD CONTENT.

I just purchased a steering wheel cover for one of my trucks on impulse, and it looked American made from the label. I installed in the store parking lot and by the time I got home I could hardly breathe and sinuses had gone crazy. I took it off and tossed it behind the seat planning to return it asap. Yesterday, at least a week later, I got in the truck and was overwhelmed with vapors, like polyvinyl chlorides and fiberglass type fumes. That thing is too toxic to have in my presence!

China has no testing or certification procedures and no standards to speak of, so what you get is made of whatever they want to make it out of. That's one major reason for so many American manufacturers to corp-out overseas! I have no doubt whatsoever in my mind that many in that country would even intentionally poison products destined for America. The glut of these products on the American economy makes it imposible for us to test them all, and why should it be on our dime anyway?

JimmieD

[MoparNorm]

All true guys....

....another irony is that food grown here has to be 98% pure from pestisides, inviro-wackos want 99.44% pure, so more and more produce is being raised in Mexico,...where DDT is still used...that sure shows our farmers doesn't it?
The government today wisely relaxed fuel refining requirements for regional fuel blends (but sadly only for 15 days) so that needed fuel can be shipped from other states to the areas devestated by the hurricane. No vote was ever taken or public outcry made to make up these crazy rules in the first place, most of these economy killing decisions were made by committes and boards who were not elected but by political clout got themselves appointed to further their own anti capitalist agenda.
done ranting....
MN

[Ugg013]

Guys:

Let me start off by saying that I'm a left winged liberal conservative capitalist with socialistic swayings. In other words, I'M SO CONFUSED!!!!! Seriously, I understand that we are a country of peoples made up of many nationalities. I myself am 2nd generation American. Here's a real bite in the you know where. I was totally disabled about 9 years ago in an accident. Due to incompitant lawyers I never collected a penny. I can no longer work a real job because I don't know when I'll have a good or bad day.

I tried to collect from Social Security. After all, I started working when I was 14. The thing was that in the 10 years before my accident, I hadn't payed in enough to SSI to draw anything. I was short by 2 weeks. They told me I was SOL. Okay, cool, if that's the way it is, that's the way it is. Then I found out that people fresh off the boat can collect, even if they're illegal.

I always try and buy American, being a former Teamster and coming from a strong union town. The job you save may be your own, ect...... But like what was said, there is nothing truely and completely American anymore, even Harley's. Take our beloved Dodge's. Who owns Dodge now? Former supporters of Uncle Adolph from der Fatherland. You know the Dodge Brothers are rolling in their graves now as they were Jewish. I give.

Later
Ugg