Concrete Sealant

[bosco]

Any recommendations on a good concrete sealant for a workshop floor..?

[Gordon Maney]

I can't recall, there may have been another thread on this subject once. You might do a search.

Having said that, I have not had good luck with concrete sealers in the past, and consequently, both of my buildings do not have sealers. I like a machine troweled floor and have left them bare. I have never seen a sealer that did not come off and then look bad and require more sealer applications.

[Cheyenne Dave]

There is a sealer that is applied when the comcrete is still green but I am not familiar with the brand. It becomes part of the concrete, rather than a coating.

Where's Norm when we really need him? :-)

C.D.

[MoparNorm]

I was with JimmieD and Dick Cheney at an undisclosed location....= )
Are we talking SEALER, cure, coating, or waterproofing?
All are different and all require different methods of application.
And as Gordon mentioned, what you get at "Moe's Hardware" is vastly different than a commercial application that actually works....= )

MN

[jick]

floor sealant

all sounds expensive guys,i normally use p.v.a glue it mixes easy with water soaks into the concrete and sets,plus u can build it up over time till that shop floor good enough to paint

[Gordon Maney]

all sounds expensive guys,i normally use p.v.a glue it mixes easy with water soaks into the concrete and sets,plus u can build it up over time till that shop floor good enough to paint

What is p.v.a. glue?

[jick]

sealer for concrete

What is p.v.a. glue?

p.v.a is[ poly vinyl acetate] a common glue used in woodworking also additive for motar mixes ,a general purpose bonding agent.....

[MoparNorm]

all sounds expensive guys,i normally use p.v.a glue it mixes easy with water soaks into the concrete and sets,plus u can build it up over time till that shop floor good enough to paint

Sealers are not expensive, elastomeric coatings are, that's why I was asking Bosco the above question, I cannot answer the question without knowing what is being asked. We have gone away from some sealers and now burnish the slab as show above in the photo. This costs nothing but hard work and seals the surface better than a selaer and prevents 'dusting' which is one of the main reasons for sealing a slab.
Painting a slab is something that you NEVER want to do, it will not last because paint and concrete are dis-similar materials and will not permanently adhere, however you can coat with elastomeres or epoxies that do last, just not the cheap ones that you'd find at Lowes or Home Depot. Paint is a never ending maintenance nightmare, a coating (not found at 'homeowner' stores) will cost more initially but you will be done after the initial application.
It is less expensive to do a job right the first time with quality materials than to go cheap and repeat often.
MN

[bosco]

What I'm looking for is a sealant that will block oil and grease from penatrating the concrete, thus eliminating a stain that is impossible to remove. While checking the net I came across the www.ConcreteNetwork.com site. There they talk about a sealant called Ultrapel from White Mountain. This is what they say about it.

Ultrapel is an invisible sealer that locks out oil, grease, and other organic stains from colored and stamped concrete, interlocking pavers, masonry, and other porous surfaces. Ultrapel is oleophobic, so it excels at blocking oil and grease stains, says Glessner. Commercial applications include heavy-use food preparation and serving areas, parking facilities, factory and warehouse floors, aircraft hangars, vehicle bays, and loading areas. Residential applications include driveways, garage floors, pool decks and patios, and entryways.

I believe this product penatrates the concrete and forms a block. It is not like a paint, which I agree with Norm ... never paint concrete. Has anyone heard of this product or something similar..? I would like something to last for a good number of years and avoid the hassle and expensive of reapplying a product ever few years or so.

[W_A_Watson_II]

I went with an Epoxy

[MoparNorm]

What I'm looking for is a sealant that will block oil and grease from penatrating the concrete, thus eliminating a stain that is impossible to remove. While checking the net I came across the www.ConcreteNetwork.com site. There they talk about a sealant called Ultrapel from White Mountain. This is what they say about it.

Ultrapel is an invisible sealer that locks out oil, grease, and other organic stains from colored and stamped concrete, interlocking pavers, masonry, and other porous surfaces. Ultrapel is oleophobic, so it excels at blocking oil and grease stains, says Glessner. Commercial applications include heavy-use food preparation and serving areas, parking facilities, factory and warehouse floors, aircraft hangars, vehicle bays, and loading areas. Residential applications include driveways, garage floors, pool decks and patios, and entryways.

I believe this product penatrates the concrete and forms a block. It is not like a paint, which I agree with Norm ... never paint concrete. Has anyone heard of this product or something similar..? I would like something to last for a good number of years and avoid the hassle and expensive of reapplying a product ever few years or so.

Hi Bosco,
Didn't have a chance to look at the link, but if it is affordable, has a good warranty (whatever that means these days!) is a two part product or an epoxy based product, it should fit the bill. There are several inexpensive spray on products like Envirosheen (sp?) and others that would also work. Some products like Thompson water sealer are inexpensive but short lived.
MN

[Hawk]

I have been looking at Epoxy.

But first I have to jack my house garage up about a foot and relay. Due to the IDIOT that built it, did not raise it high enough. So the run off from the alley floods it.

Might just go as far as rebuilding. Need more room :)

[vcpowerwagon]

Bosco, Scofield products has a sealer called "Repello". It is "similar" to the product you mentioned above. Scofield.com has the info. I had a free sample sent to the house. Call there customer service line to get a number for your local rep. Talk to him or her about your concerns. Not cheap if you decide to use. Does not change the color of the concrete and it is not slippery after applied. I have been testing sealers over concrete stain for the patio. I am testing for UV fading and trying to stay away from the "wet look" type sealers. This stuff sure repels the water. Have not tryed oil yet, but after it stops raining I can give it try. White Cap offers there products. Hope this helps.
ps: I don't work for them.

What I'm looking for is a sealant that will block oil and grease from penatrating the concrete, thus eliminating a stain that is impossible to remove. While checking the net I came across the www.ConcreteNetwork.com site. There they talk about a sealant called Ultrapel from White Mountain. This is what they say about it.

Ultrapel is an invisible sealer that locks out oil, grease, and other organic stains from colored and stamped concrete, interlocking pavers, masonry, and other porous surfaces. Ultrapel is oleophobic, so it excels at blocking oil and grease stains, says Glessner. Commercial applications include heavy-use food preparation and serving areas, parking facilities, factory and warehouse floors, aircraft hangars, vehicle bays, and loading areas. Residential applications include driveways, garage floors, pool decks and patios, and entryways.

I believe this product penatrates the concrete and forms a block. It is not like a paint, which I agree with Norm ... never paint concrete. Has anyone heard of this product or something similar..? I would like something to last for a good number of years and avoid the hassle and expensive of reapplying a product ever few years or so.

[bosco]

Thanks for the help guys. I'll admit I do like the looks of the epoxy floor and Will yours looks great. Maybe I'm not educated enough about the epoxy, but I thought it would peel or flake over time. Now that may be due to improper cleaning or prep work. I am also concerned that down here in the gulf coast area moisture is a problem and that may affect the adhesion of an epoxy coating.

Norm, what was used on the floor in the picture use have attached..? That's close to the finish I am looking for. From the picture it looks more like a sealant than the epoxy coating.

vcpowerwagon, I have not had a chance to check out the Scofield website. But I do intend to do so. Thanks for the info.

Thanks again...

[W_A_Watson_II]

Bosco,

You are correct, surface Prep is key to any coating and Epoxy on concrete follows the same rule.

Will