Cummins 4BT

[JimmieD]

Thanks for the technical specs!

[Gordon Maney]

Originally posted by Andrew Hunt
If you want, I could do a whole series of articles that walk the reader through the entire process of a turn key re-power, as I finish up the rig I’m building.

That would be wonderful!!!!

[Bill in MI]

Andrew,

Thanks for sharing. I'm not up on what Mercedes used power plant wise but I'm always interested in learning. It sounds like you've put together great vehicle.

[Andrew Hunt]

Gordon:

Why don’t you email me at jhuntcasi@peak.org, or call me at 541 487-4244 and we can talk about what you want as far as an article.

Andrew

[Andrew Hunt]

Bill:

In my case I just like to tinker and it happens my passion is old 4x4 trucks and vintage classic cars. I have 12 vehicles in various stages of being rebuilt or restored. I’m semi-retired and having fun. My hope is to retire completely in the next couple years and spend full-time rebuilding, restoring and selling or trading vintage / classic vehicles. Since I started aggressively feeding this passion about 15 years ago, I’ve gotten in the habit of not ever throwing the really good stuff away and I’ve ended up a few times with enough parts that I’m able to build a whole vehicle.

The project to build the rig that has the Mercedes 5 cylinder, 3.0 liter turbo diesel in it started after I ended up with a blank frame off a rig I purchased just to harvest the front bumper and winch off of. I cut up the body and scrapped it and gave the drive train to a buddy. Next thing I know I’m buying axels, a transmission, transfer case, an engine and finding myself building a rolling chassis. You know how the story goes from here.

I’m brand new to this website and if you go to the “MILITARY DODGE 4X4 TRUCKS” forum, I’ve got another “Thread” going that describes some of my recent WWII Dodge acquistions. I’ve got vintage Dodge truck fever bad. Through this sight and several books I’ve been hooked. The war era Dodges are just “Big" trucks! And I can’t wait to get my hands into a few of them.

Andrew

[warlock440]

Andrew
what kind of mileage are you getting with the Mercedes Diesel??

[MoparNorm]

Still curious....

...as to my earlier question; is THIS the same engine as the Sprinter 5 cylinder???
MN

[Andrew Hunt]

Norm:

According to specifications I’ve read, the Sprinter has a 2.7 Liter 5-cylinder Mercedes-Benz common rail direct injection diesel engine and is really a Mercedes-Benz with a Dodge or Freightliner grill and nameplate on it.

The 1980’s vintage 5-cylinder diesel Mercedes-Benz engine I’m using boasts 2.99 liters and the specs I’ve seen on the Sprinter 2.7-liter are slightly different. I have not compare the horsepower and torque specs of the two engines, but they are probably close cousins.

There are kits you can buy to convert the Sprinter or Freightliner grills and emblems to Mercedes for around $290. (See http://www.mercedessprintergrille.com)

Andrew

[Gordon Maney]

Originally posted by Andrew Hunt
Gordon:

Why don’t you email me at jhuntcasi@peak.org, or call me at 541 487-4244 and we can talk about what you want as far as an article.

Andrew

I will do that..... making this comment from another location. My computer is in at the computer mechanic's shop.

[dbemis]

MB 300 TD

One added note that may be of interest; The Mercedes 300 Turbo diesel is one of the most popular candidates for running off vegetable oil etc. It is one of the easiest to do this to and as Andrew mentioned, can be a very long life engine.
David

[Juan]

Long life engine indeed

Got a friend who has a little fleet of Daewoo vans that are powered (oem) with this Mercedes engine. He has 5 vans and 3 of them are reaching the 1,000,000 Km mark (625,000Miles) without opening the engine, just injectors, seals, timing chain, oil and filters. All in 6 years and driven by employees, I think that speaks for those MB engines.

[Andrew Hunt]

MB 3.0 liter, 5 cylinder engine

There are a lot of bio-diesels where I live and 90% of them are the Mercedes 123 chassis. It smells like French fries driving behind them. Mercedes has been building diesels longer than anybody, so it probably safe to assume they have it figured out by now. Anywhere you go in the world the taxis are Mercedes with the 123 chassis, powered by either the 2.4 liter, 4 cylinder or 3.0 liter, 5 cylinder engine. I’ve heard that it is not uncommon to see daily drivers with over a million miles on them. There is a very plentiful supply of good used Mercedes that utilize this engine.

I’ve attached a clip out of my Mercedes Service Manual for the 3.0 liter, 5 cylinder engine that shows just some of the chassis, models and years this engine was installed in. The one I have came out of a 1983 300 D, which is also the 123 chassis and the manual this clip out of is for the 1978 thru 1982 model years, which is still current for my engine through the engines into the late 1980’s Mercedes. I’ve looked at the most recent late model Mercedes with a 3.0 liter, 5 cylinder engine and its nothing I recognize, but I’m sure under all that stuff is an engine that is probably quite similar.

Andrew

MB 3.0 liter, 5 Cylinder Engine

[Andrew Hunt]

MB 3.0 liter, 5 cylinder engine Cost

MB 3.0 liter, 5 cylinder engine Cost

Back to your question about mileage Warlock, I’m not sure what to expect for mileage. This rig is “In Process” and I won’t know till I finish it. The Mercedes the engine came out of got 22 to 25 mpg and weighed about the same as my rig, but with the axels, wheels, transmission and transfer case I’m running, I would be surprised if I get 10 or 12 mpg. I’m just finishing the rolling chassis and am getting the body ready to put on.

When I went looking for an engine, I bought the whole car. I located it in Seattle and trailered it home. The picture is of the car with my dog and I in front of the shop I bought it from, which is a Mercedes Service Garage and this was their parts runner. The engine was rebuilt 10K miles ago by the shop for a customer who couldn’t pay the bill. I actually drove the car and had a diesel mechanic friend of mine check it out before I bought it.

I could have had just the engine for $1,200 or the whole car for $1,500. With the car I got all the computers, electronics, wiring harness, etc., and it gives me a physical vehicle I can use to indicate how to put the engine compartment back together in a different front clip than what it came from. It’s a mumbo-jumbo of wires and hoses and could be quite confusing. Without having the donor vehicle to reference off, it wouldn’t be any fun.

Andrew

[MoparNorm]

Thanks Andrew,
So this is an older, non CRD diesel?
Has anyone found any information about how the 2007 Federal low sulfur fuel regulations is going to impact pre- 2007 motors? At present, CA and 5 eastern states, do not allow the sale of new diesels that do not meet the 2007 standards. It took several years for the ISB Cummins to be approved, in CA , the Detroit Diesel 2.8 that is sold in the Jeep Liberty in 49 states cannot be sold here.
I'm starting to worry that my 2002 Cummins that is a 2nd generation Cummins may have problems running on the new fuels. Any thoughts?
MN

[crike2000]

I have a 99 cummins and am trying to get in the habit of always adding a lubricating additive to my fuel. I don't want to burn up a $1500 injector pump. I will probably start buying standyne by the case.