Flat Fender Power Wagon Poll

[gmharris]

So far, only seven people out of 30 feel the term FFPW perfectly describes the T137 truck. An overwhelming majority are unwilling to go that far.

Hey, I like flat fenders as much as the next guy. In fact, I have been thinking about getting a CJ2A but I find the CJ3B model is starting to grow on me. Too bad my B3PW has only an 8-foot flatbed. If it were a foot longer, I could drive it to tractor shows and carry a flat fender along with me.

"Ossified traditionalist?" Apparently we have never met in person. Gordon will probably have some observations to add to that.

"Ossified traditionalist". Just stirring the pot a little bit. I'm sure you're not a traditionalist.

Actually, I appreciate all you have done for the hobby of Power Wagons. I've been referring to your website for years now. I really appreciate all the time and effort you put into making that information available to everybody else.

A couple of days ago, I purchased a seal at Autozone using a number I got from your seal chart. I was thinking that without the work of you and people like you, maintaining a FFPW (there, I said it) would be much more difficult.

Thanks

[Clint Dixon]

"Ossified traditionalist". Just stirring the pot a little bit. I'm sure you're not a traditionalist.

Actually, I appreciate all you have done for the hobby of Power Wagons. I've been referring to your website for years now. I really appreciate all the time and effort you put into making that information available to everybody else.

A couple of days ago, I purchased a seal at Autozone using a number I got from your seal chart. I was thinking that without the work of you and people like you, maintaining a FFPW (there, I said it) would be much more difficult.

Thanks

I really, REALLY, appreaciate the kind words and feedback on what I have submitted to Phil, Joe, and Gordon for consideration for their site, forums, and magazine. I strive very hard for accuracy in drawing from the information I have at hand. There are bound to be mistakes as some of this information is so obscure, and at times, it tends to be contradictory to itself when found in different places. So it is a constant adventure of piecing together good points and trying to weed out the bad.

I guess that is one of the things that I like best about our interests. I am continually hearing new questions. Some are questions for information on things or points that I had previously never considered. They peak my interest. Each and every time I open my parts manuals to search out an answer for someone, or just for myself, I always end up learning something new. I like to share what I find with others because I remember what it was like when we did not have a magazine and forums to bind us all together. The information was hard to come by.

So, not only do I enjoy the challenge, the learning, and the adventure that comes from it all, I also find satisfaction in the idea that my efforts might be of help to others and that maybe someone else's interest in the hobby has been increased because of it.

I also like to have some fun and be a bit of a clown at times in an effort to not take myself too seriously (as in posting a poll about FFPW). Hopefully readers are seeing this all in the spirit it is intended and I am not offending anyone.

Thanks again.

[BrightRanch]

If you can set a beer or a wrench on it, its flat enough!!

[Cheyenne Dave]

See? Theres always another way to look at things!

C.D.

[61wm300]

In Response to Poll for FFPW

I use the term to distinguish the earlier trucks (WDX, WM300, etc.) from the later Utiline (W-Series) trucks in discussions and not as an overall comparison to other brands. In that capacity, the term fits well.

[MoparNorm]

.... Hopefully readers are seeing this all in the spirit it is intended and I am not offending anyone.

How about if I am offended by the outcome of these polls?
If we cannot educate the Power Wagon Community, how do we educate others???

People who are uniformed call everything under the Sun, a "Jeep". Now we add to it by calling a Power Wagon by a Jeep term?

Lazy? Misinformed? Flat-headed?
Maybe a poll for those terms... ;)


...and what happenned to the smileys?

[Cheyenne Dave]

How about if I am offended by the outcome of these polls?
If we cannot educate the Power Wagon Community, how do we educate others???

People who are uniformed call everything under the Sun, a "Jeep". Now we add to it by calling a Power Wagon by a Jeep term?

Lazy? Misinformed? Flat-headed?
Maybe a poll for those terms... ;)


...and what happenned to the smileys?

As mentioned earlier, Normie, Jeep is but one member of a group of trucks the Flat Fender term can be applied too. Don't be offended, it's just the way of an imperfect world.

C.D.

[MoparNorm]

As mentioned earlier, Normie, Jeep is but one member of a group of trucks the Flat Fender term can be applied too. Don't be offended, it's just the way of an imperfect world.

C.D.

I'm offended, where are the smilies? = )

[Cheyenne Dave]

;-)

All better now?

[MoparNorm]

;-)

All better now?

No, but I suppose we only get the smilies in the executive washroom and not here???? = )

[Clint Dixon]

Have you noticed another recent trend Norm?

How about if I am offended by the outcome of these polls?
If we cannot educate the Power Wagon Community, how do we educate others???

People who are uniformed call everything under the Sun, a "Jeep". Now we add to it by calling a Power Wagon by a Jeep term?

Lazy? Misinformed? Flat-headed?
Maybe a poll for those terms... ;)


...and what happenned to the smileys?

Sellers on ebay troll the internet to find information on stuff they have bought so they can advertise it and sell at a profit.

For some time now, they have been tossing out the term "power wagon" in auctions for stuff that have nothing to do with Power-Wagons. For instance, they might find a tailgate off an 1930-something Dodge truck. They insert "power wagon" somewhere in the description because: 1) the part came off an old Dodge truck so it must fit a Power-Wagon 2) they have found that "power wagon" is a niche market and their auction is bound to get more viewers by using the term.

Two things can be happening here. Either they do not know any better and are just using scant information they have found on the internet, or they do know better and are deliberately trying to deceive the customer.

Lately, I have seen auctions where they are starting to use the "flat fender" and "FFPW" generic terms in auctions that may or may not containg anything even remotely related to Power-Wagons. For instance, I recently saw an auction where the seller pulled a small part of my description off of Phil's t137 site to use in their auction. The auction was for a velocity type King-Seeley governor. The words of mine that they "borrowed' were my partial description of the Power-Wagon belt-driven mechanical engine governor. The governor they were trying to sell was a King-Seeley model but, by being a velocity governor, it had a completely different purpose than the mechanical governor. It was not even the correct velocity governor for Dodge trucks that used them, let alone the Power-Wagon. My description should never have been used (never mind that I had not been asked for permission) and served only to deceive potential customers.

People outside the hobby are not making these bogus terms up. We are doing it all right here inside our hobby and people from the outside are using them to their avantage, sometimes as a deception.

Here is another less sinister example: Last year I had my WDX (if anyone does not know what truck this model designation is for, just ask) at an antique tractor show. A gentleman came over with a small child who I assumed was his son. He did not acknowedge me at all even though I spoke to him by saying hello and asked him how he was doing. He proceeded to narrate the whole story of the Power-Wagon to the boy. The problem was, his version was completely wrong. Some parts of his description were taken word-for-word from websites. You know the ones, those where some distinguished author or editor tries to tell the story of the Power-Wagon, and in the process, screws it all up? The child will probably grow up believing what his father told him, take an interest in our hobby, and then we will forever be trying to dispel his misbeliefs.

I know because I have been there. I used to call Poly head engines "wide*****" because I had heard the incorrect information years ago and it stuck with me. (By the way, thanks for straightening me out Norm. I now see the error of my ways.)

What we keep laying down, someone else is going to keep picking up. Let's make sure it is correct and not just something we "invented" along the way.

[74w300uteline]

the ugly truth

the fenders were slightly rounded to increase down force. this modification was necessary to keep the Power Wagons wheels on the ground at high speeds.

[Cheyenne Dave]

the fenders were slightly rounded to increase down force. this modification was necessary to keep the Power Wagons wheels on the ground at high speeds.

Dang! And all this time, I thought that was what the winch was for...

C.D.

[Cheyenne Dave]

What we keep laying down, someone else is going to keep picking up. Let's make sure it is correct and not just something we "invented" along the way.[/QUOTE]

You do that Clint, and you will have solved vitually all of mankind's problems.

C.D.

[MoparNorm]

the fenders were slightly rounded to increase down force. this modification was necessary to keep the Power Wagons wheels on the ground at high speeds.

That's how you follow up Clint's excellent* post?...

What we keep laying down, someone else is going to keep picking up. Let's make sure it is correct and not just something we "invented" along the way.
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* any post quoting me is excellent...LOL! what happened to the smilies?