oil filter

[KLEMM]

I am having a problem trying to fit my napa 1011 filter into the stock housing. The filters seems to be too long. I have to go to the extent of beating it down with a wooden dowel. Even at this point I can barely start the cap onto the threaded insert. Is there a shorter filter that I should be using?

[Cheyenne Dave]

If you perform a search within our forums, you will find enough info on this topic to help you get to sleep at night...

C.D.

[Clint Dixon]

I am having a problem trying to fit my napa 1011 filter into the stock housing. The filters seems to be too long. I have to go to the extent of beating it down with a wooden dowel. Even at this point I can barely start the cap onto the threaded insert. Is there a shorter filter that I should be using?

I had not experienced the extent of the problems with the oversized 1011 NAPA/Wix filters that others have, until last weekend. Over the past few years, I have seen the 1011 filters change in design and grow in size, but I found them to require only a slight amount of extra effort to fit into the canister. This past weekend, I finally ran across one that would hardly fit, and it was marked "Made in USA". Apparently I have exhausted all of the older supply from the local warehouse.

Trying to put that filter in one truck was bad enough, so I purchased a Baldwin JC405 for the next truck (also made in USA). Measurements showed it to be substantially larger than an old NOS MoPar element I bought for comparison, but it did fit the canister a lot better. Though larger than the old NOS MoPar filter, it measured out about .250 smaller in diameter, and .500 shorter than the current NAPA 1011. It fits snug, about the same as the 1011's I have found during the last few years, but a LOT better than the newest one from last weekend.

I am going to buy Baldwin JC405's by the case to stock up before they go and screw up the dimensions too. I am afraid that eventually all the big filter companies will be farming out the manufacture of these low volume filters to the same vendor.

[Cheyenne Dave]

...and all this time, you thought we were kiddin!

C.D.

[Doc Dave]

this outfit has the JC405 at $113 a case

On line:
http://www.baldwinfiltersrus.com/Home/

[KLEMM]

I just put another 1011 filter in my 51 and same problem. Had to beat it in. I am concerned about stripping the threads in the housing or on the cap, trying to force the cap down and turning the t-handle.It is very hard to engage the first thread. I am going to try the Baldwin filter in my 1950. Any other ideas.

[gmharris]

I bought a filter from VPW. They suggested opening the filter and removing some of the filter material. Not sure if this works with all filters. It wasn't hard to do. I guess the filter's working OK, but who knows?

I have two NOS filters, but just can't bring myself to use them.

[Charles Talbert]

I bought a filter from VPW. They suggested opening the filter and removing some of the filter material. Not sure if this works with all filters. It wasn't hard to do. I guess the filter's working OK, but who knows?

I have two NOS filters, but just can't bring myself to use them.

You guess the filter is working OK???? I would never take that chance. With issues such as this, I'm going to KNOW it's working RIGHT; not just OK, or maybe not at all is not an option here. I certainly wouldn't take that sort of advice from anyone; is this your engine you could be sending to an early grave?

[gmharris]

Point well taken. But, do any of us really know if the filter is working? All of the currently available filters vary significantly from the original Chrysler design. We can check to see that there is some oil flow from the filter housing, but that doesn't mean the filter is working effectively.

I don't think that removing some of the filter media from the end of the filter is going to change anything other than make the filter fit better. That's got to be better than compacting the filter media by forcing the filter into the housing.

[Charles Talbert]

Point well taken. But, do any of us really know if the filter is working? All of the currently available filters vary significantly from the original Chrysler design. We can check to see that there is some oil flow from the filter housing, but that doesn't mean the filter is working effectively.

I don't think that removing some of the filter media from the end of the filter is going to change anything other than make the filter fit better. That's got to be better than compacting the filter media by forcing the filter into the housing.

You certainly can know. Like I said, this guessing game is not an option for us here. We build lots of engines, I can't send them out the door with an oil filter that may work. How could I warranty an engine under such circumstances?

I'm aware of the old style element fit issue these days. Like everything else, filter technology has come light years since the 50's. I have to laugh at folks who will cram anything in that canister just because it pains them to think about a better filter type cause it doesn't look original. In my mind, the name of the game is engine protection. A nicely done spin-on filter set up can be had that is far more efficient than that cartridge type at best, much less one that won't even fit correctly. It's a lot less trouble to service, and I can offer a full warranty on a rebuilt engine, and not worry about its demise due to an inefficient oil filter. All our rebuilt engines that have the canister filters on them get a new spin-on set up along with the rebuild.

[gmharris]

Have to agree with you. But, I also think that the original Chrysler setup is adequate if it's functioning as originally designed. However, without the original style filter insert, there is really no way to know if it's working short off having an oil analysis done on a regular basis.

I too wouldn't want to warranty an engine without knowing that the oil filter system was working properly.

It seems to me that some time ago you offered to share the identification of the spin on oil filter setup you use. I'm not sure anyone asked for the information. But, I would appreciate the information so that I may consider adding the system to my trucks, especially since the sock type filters seem to be getting harder to come by.

Thanks

[Charles Talbert]

The problem is we can no longer purchase the proper cartridge to allow the filter to function as original.

I think I did post some part #'s for what we use some time back. I'll do so again for you tomorrow when I'm at the shop.

[Charles Talbert]

Spin-on filter part #'s

The problem is we can no longer purchase the proper cartridge to allow the filter to function as original.

I think I did post some part #'s for what we use some time back. I'll do so again for you tomorrow when I'm at the shop.

The filter we use is Baldwin B-164
The base for this spin on filter is Baldwin OB1305
Use the same line routing as original

It can be mounted in any position; can also be configured so the oil can be drained from the filter before removing it to change if desired.

[gmharris]

Thanks for taking the time to post the information on the oil filter. It looks like a number of people with different vehicles have gone this route. Searching for the filter base number will yield some pictures of other installations.

[Cheyenne Dave]

The filter we use is Baldwin B-164
The base for this spin on filter is Baldwin OB1305
Use the same line routing as original

It can be mounted in any position; can also be configured so the oil can be drained from the filter before removing it to change if desired.

I can't imagine why anyone would go to the trouble of installing a spin on filter system and then plumb it to the engine like the original canister...you still have only partial flow filtration.

Every engine I build gets a spin-on filter that provideds full flow filtration in addition to the original by-pass system. This adds 2 additional quarts of oil capacity plus the oil cooling effect that occurs whenever you run oil outside of the block. If you want a oil filtration up-grade, full flow is as good as it gets.

C.D.